'Are they just [THAT] afraid of confrontation': Millennial boss sparks discussion about "ghost quitting" and whether it's a Gen Z thing or a minimum wage job thing

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    Product - SALE Posted by u/Zoe0118 21 hours ago Gen Z Employees - Quitting via Ghosting...
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    Font - I run a business (retail) and in the last year have had 3 employees quit by being no-show no calls and then never showing up again. Obviously retail is not many people's dream job, but this is a pretty good place to work. Competitive retail wage, very flexible schedule, no late nights or early mornings, relaxed environment- no pushy sales here.
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    Font - 60% of my staff has been with us over a year, and several multiple years! My best sales associate has been around for 15 years. As the owner I am fairly hands on, and have a good relationship with my staff, I am always open to changing schedules and very understanding when they move on - in fact I am proud to be a stepping stone for them and happy when they move onto something bigger and better.
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    Font - I am in my 30's, so at this point have a good 10+ years on many of my employees- and don't fully understand this new younger generation. Are they just so afraid of confrontation that they think it is better to just disappear than give 2 weeks notice? It is just so unprofessional- and also puts me in a position where I am worried! I
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    Font - almost made a missing persons report this week - but then finally heard back from the employees emergency contact that they were fine. Even if you can't give 2 weeks notice, at least communicate that you are quitting. Is this just the new normal and what I should expect?
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    Font - livingfortheliquid. 20 hr. ago When I worked retail back in the 90s this would happen constantly. They'd call 2 weeks later asking if their check was cut like nothing happened. Like they didn't just disappear. I don't think it's a Gen this or Gen that thing. I think it's a Young person thing.
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    Font - lucky_719 16 hr. ago ● Yep. It's just the standard thing for low paying jobs. Even if you are paying competitively it's still a low paying job that people know won't affect their careers.
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    Font - LockeClone 20 min. ago Even if you are paying competitively it's still a low paying job that people know won't affect their careers. Yeah, I mean, I never did anything like that, but I certainly get it. Paying someone less than what it costs to live is worse than violence. It's not
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    Font - really the employers fault that the labor economy has come to this horrible place, but it's certainly not the employee's fault. In such an asymmetrical relationship the only revenge an employee might have against an organization/system that suining their life while making them borrow against
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    Font - their future self is little acts like no-call no-show. Look at all the young people literally betting against and actively hoping to destroy our system. You never had millions of people cheering on bank runs or shooting up schools. Low paying jobs are not a good deal these days and young people know it.
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    Font - smalldeaths 17 hr. ago I agree. I had a retail job from 2010-2014 and people did this all the time.
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    Font - ekaceerf I worked at a retail store in my early 20s. It wasn't uncommon for 5 people to get hired and start training and only 3 or 4 come back after the first lunch break. The job wasn't even that bad for a customer service type job. . 16 hr. ago edited 9 hr. ago
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    Font - Bad_Chicken_2 15 hr. ago. edited 14 hr. ago This. I actually ghost quit a job in 1993 when I was in my early 20s. I did it out of anger. I was working in a small deli/grocery store. The owner and manager knew all the prices of the grocery items, but the prices weren't on the items or written down anywhere. I
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    Font - complained a few times about it, then one day they left me alone in the store when the crew from a Coast Guard ship came in to get dinner at the deli, and pick up some grocery items. I ended up just asking each one how much they wanted to pay, and rang it up that way. Next day I told the owner what happened, and he got mad at
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    Font - me. So f k him, I walked out, never talked to them again, and ignored the messages on my answering machine. I decided to make them guess about whether I was showing up for my shift, just like I had to guess about the prices. Yikes, 30 years later and I'm getting mad thinking about it again
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    Font - jellyjayyy 15 hr. ago edited 15 hr. ago I agree! It happens regardless of which generation it is. I remember my professor in college told me her story about ghosting her first-ever job after being bullied by her student. She was around 19 yo back then, teaching graduate students which are obviously older than her.
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    Font - She was so terrified after the day she got bullied that she just never came back to that school. I've personally haven't ghosted employers, but I understand those who did due to terrible experience or trauma. Of course, bad experience doesn't justify ghosting, I'm just saying, I understand why it happens in such cases.
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    Rectangle - boatsnprose 14 hr. ago Not even just a young person thing. We had a manager at my gym, probably mid 40s, take off to lunch one Friday. Come Monday, he still hasn't come back.
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    Font - Found out Wednesday or such that the guy was in Chicago. Went to lunch then flew from L.A. to Chicago. And this was in the late 00's. A guy who was a retired marine as well.
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    Font - Cook_croghan 6 hr. ago Agreed. I'm in my mid-30's and my first job was at blockbuster while I was in HS. I worked there for about a year and half and we went through at least one employee no call/no show a month.
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    Font - Eventually I was given a promotion as an opening manager right after I graduated and on my first day to open I got a call from a buddy asking me to move out of state, to live on a beachfront working for his dads construction company. I was 18 and wanted to live on the beach. I showed up and dropped off the keys through the drop box, got back in my car and drove to NC same day.
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    Font - This is not a new thing.
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    Font - donato0 8 hr. ago Yep. Unfortunately. As a manager, provide the best environment you can for your team, don't take it personally, and document their patterns of behavior against company policy and when it triggers accountability, leap on it. Either they ship up or manage out.
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    Font - bizzzfire 20 hr. ago · Yes, this is normal. A lot of younger folks just don't like confrontation, so it's easier to simply do nothing. It's rude, but so be it, that just how it is. I get a LOT of people ghost me after scheduling interviews. Two people in the past 2 years have accepted the job then never showed up.
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    Font - Then one guy who showed up day 1, went on lunch break, and never came back. Like you, I messaged his emergency contact (their dad) the next day to make sure everything was OK. He texted me shortly after that he got extremely anxious and had to leave. I imagine he only texted me because his dad got on his case.
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    Facial expression - Anyway, don't take it personally. They're young and will learn over time to overcome their emotions.
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    Font - · jestergoblin 8 hr. ago Leaving at lunch and never coming back is something I've seen multiple times at regular office jobs - we had a salesperson do it, an accountant, and an engineer all at my last two jobs.
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    Font - The accountant left a note on their desk that just said they weren't coming back. The sales guy used us as leverage in a negotiation with his job and left as soon as his old boss panicked and doubled his salary. The engineer just straight up vanished.
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    Font - The Cutest_Kittykat 11 hr. ago Bwah ha! hah! ha! ● Am hiring for a basic seasonal role (albeit well paid) in agriculture. Even the old drifters ghost you. Have had three over 30yo this week.
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    Font - Soapguy8931 5 hr. ago Yeah the ghosting after accepting the job. I've had that happen with a mid 50s person. Accepted the job, and then never responded to our emails or calls and didn't show up on day one.
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    Font - Guinness 13 hr. ago This is not specific to "Gen Z" and I see this in the IT industry all the time. We interview someone, they get and accept an offer. Their start date arrives and they are a complete no show. Probably because they received a better offer elsewhere. Additionally, don't be like the boomers who constantly shit on millennials. We need to stop generational toxicity. Its dumb.

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